Why block off oil squirters

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11-24-2013
monjarassi

Why block off oil squirters

So this a small over looked topic and when brought up not many have a good solid answer.
I have blocked off my oil squirters in my recent build and many other builds i have assisted on have done so.
There's the main question but why?
Well here are some good answers for ya and ill link also where i got mine from.

- forged pistons dont need the cooling effects of the oil squirters, where stock pistons do

- more oil flowing to your bearings

- if you don't block them off after you remove the squirters you have a good chance of ruining your bearings because of low oil pressure.

- Less oil on the pistons means less reciprocating weight and more free power

- If you go with a custom stroke and relocate the wrist pin, your piston skirt might actually hit the oil squirter's... so you would have to remove them; just an example...

- Oil squirters have there place, just not necessary for street or drag racing. Endurance racing, yes. Running a 500 Mi Nascar race between 8000- 9000 RPM's and trying to get a little better gas milage (leaner) yes.

Yes these work for K series motors too...
http://www.ipgparts.com/store/image.php?type=T&id=19131

And here they are installed in my own block.
Remember to use loctite and tq them down to 8ft lbs.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2881/1...d879574c_c.jpg

Now team feel free to elaborate and lets keep this for anyone looking to build a motor in the future.

Happy Boosting!!:beer:
11-24-2013
boosted_teg

I did this to 2 of my k20 motors for the same reasons as you stated. I didn't see the need for extra oil on the forged pistons and wanted more oil pressure through the rest of the set up.
11-24-2013
monjarassi

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Originally Posted by boosted_teg

I did this to 2 of my k20 motors for the same reasons as you stated. I didn't see the need for extra oil on the forged pistons and wanted more oil pressure through the rest of the set up.

Thats the same thing my tuner saids to me and it makes plenty sense
11-24-2013
vdubkilla

I have always left mine in my builds .I still see 25 lbs of oil pressure when fully warmed up at idle and 60+ lbs when cruising at 2700 rpms .I considered blocking them off but just decided not to as Honda knows what they are doing .I have also heard some of the things you mention and I can see your points but I'll be leaving mine in place where Honda put them .
11-24-2013
monjarassi

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Originally Posted by vdubkilla

I have always left mine in my builds .I still see 25 lbs of oil pressure when fully warmed up at idle and 60+ lbs when cruising at 2700 rpms .I considered blocking them off but just decided not to as Honda knows what they are doing .I have also heard some of the things you mention and I can see your points but I'll be leaving mine in place where Honda put them .

:thumb: :thumb:
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

I have a K24 block which doesn't even come with oil squirters. The person who I bought the car off of had them machined in and I see about 95-100 on start up. idling all warmed up I'm at about 29-31 psi. I think there not a bad idea having them in. I agree with vdubkilla.
11-25-2013
monjarassi

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

I have a K24 block which doesn't even come with oil squirters. The person who I bought the car off of had them machined in and I see about 95-100 on start up. idling all warmed up I'm at about 29-31 psi. I think there not a bad idea having them in. I agree with vdubkilla.

Is your motor stock?
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

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Originally Posted by monjarassi

Is your motor stock?

negative. Its a Z10 sleeved K24 with H-beam rods and 11.1 weisco pistons.
11-25-2013
monjarassi

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

negative. Its a Z10 sleeved K24 with H-beam rods and 11.1 weisco pistons.

nice build there... and no issues with clearance on the squirters?
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

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Originally Posted by monjarassi

nice build there... and no issues with clearance on the squirters?

Thanks!!. Nope motor has about 2k on it now and I just got done boosting it. Just strapped on a GTX on this badboy. Still in the mix of street tuning it right now. But just had a boost creeping issue today while street tuning. I kind of figured this was going to happen as I see its a common thing on these boosted K's especially with a BWR manifold. Its not that bad though just its creeping lil past 15 and I just want to be in full control of it lol.
11-25-2013
monjarassi

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

Thanks!!. Nope motor has about 2k on it now and I just got done boosting it. Just strapped on a GTX on this badboy. Still in the mix of street tuning it right now. But just had a boost creeping issue today while street tuning. I kind of figured this was going to happen as I see its a common thing on these boosted K's especially with a BWR manifold. Its not that bad though just its creeping lil past 15 and I just want to be in full control of it lol.

im glad to hear its all working for u man. :fyea:
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

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Originally Posted by monjarassi

im glad to hear its all working for u man. :fyea:

thanks man. It's been a battle with this car. Everyday it was something else. The other day I started building some boost and a fuking NYC dip took my oil pan out. Almost starved my engine of oil. Thank god for a oil pressure gauge and knowledge.
11-25-2013
aLmk

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Originally Posted by vdubkilla

I have always left mine in my builds .I still see 25 lbs of oil pressure when fully warmed up at idle and 60+ lbs when cruising at 2700 rpms .I considered blocking them off but just decided not to as Honda knows what they are doing .I have also heard some of the things you mention and I can see your points but I'll be leaving mine in place where Honda put them .

I think I'm going to go this route for my motor build as well.

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

Thanks!!. Nope motor has about 2k on it now and I just got done boosting it. Just strapped on a GTX on this badboy. Still in the mix of street tuning it right now. But just had a boost creeping issue today while street tuning. I kind of figured this was going to happen as I see its a common thing on these boosted K's especially with a BWR manifold. Its not that bad though just its creeping lil past 15 and I just want to be in full control of it lol.

Likely this cold weather is having an effect on your boost as well. Have you messed with your IAT compensation table for boost control?
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

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Originally Posted by aLmk

I think I'm going to go this route for my motor build as well.

Likely this cold weather is having an effect on your boost as well. Have you messed with your IAT compensation table for bowith control?

Yup just messed with that last night. The last time I messed with the car was on Friday which was like around 50°. Than last night it was like 25° smh!! So I noticed my a/fs were a little leaner. I messed with the iat compensation table and did a pull and it was richer. Definitely helped out. Just not with the creep though.
11-25-2013
aLmk

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

Yup just messed with that last night. The last time I messed with the car was on Friday which was like around 50°. Than last night it was like 25° smh!! So I noticed my a/fs were a little leaner. I messed with the iat compensation table and did a pull and it was richer. Definitely helped out. Just not with the creep though.

Well there is another IAT compensation table for boost control. At least in flashpro there is. As IATs climb or fall, you can set it to remove a few duty cycle from your boost control.
11-25-2013
BuBBaSBuBBLE

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Originally Posted by aLmk

Well there is another IAT compensation table for boost control. At least in flashpro there is. As IATs climb or fall, you can set it to remove a few duty cycle from your boost control.

That's good to know I will look into that tonight when I do some more street tuning. Thanks for the input brother!!.
11-25-2013
aLmk

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Originally Posted by BuBBaSBuBBLE

That's good to know I will look into that tonight when I do some more street tuning. Thanks for the input brother!!.

Sure thing, on flashpro it's on the same tab or window as the boost control itself.