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ryaano18
11-25-2013, 12:51 AM
Hey guys,

Since wire tucking is pretty much the new essential of many Honda builds I wanted to open a discussion about it. I know this is the DIY Section but there is no other electrical section on the forum.

I see guys spending thousands of dollars on high end harness such as Ry-Wire, Wire-Worx and Chasebays, just to name a few, but the main reason they are doing it is because they want to clean, simplicity of the wiring and not the benefits it actually gives to have mil-spec wiring.

Mil-spec wiring is pretty much what the name implies, its used on military equipment due to it's high heat and high current application. The wire they use is called Tefzel Wiring or when you order it m22759/32 or /16. The /32 is more expensive but a 22awg /32 is the same size as a 24 awg /16. A full order number would be m22759/32-22-0, the 22 is the awg and the 0 is the color (in the instance 0 is black)

The hardest part about building a complete harness from scratch, in my opinion, is getting the pin terminals since they vary in size and who actually sells it in low volume. As someone who loves tracking down hard to find terminals, you will eventually go through many suppliers until you find the perfect one (its a love story actually) that can get you the right pins. However, you will have to sit through catalogs through the different factories and match up part numbers which can take a while.

But if the actual wiring isn't your concern and it's the aesthetics is what you are looking for then you just need to worry about sleeving.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo22_zpsc0e54919.jpg


There are 3 sleeve type that i have personally used
(in the order of the picture)
Techflex - PET
Raychem DR-25
Techflex - Insulutherm

The Pros and Cons between these (common) sleeves are as follows by my PERSONAL OPINION:

PET-
Pros:
Easy to slide over wires as it expands tremendously
Easy to bend
Glossy finish
Covers wires about 70% (see through the of the sleeve)
Variety of colors
Tons of sizes starting at 1/8inch
Cons:
Frays extremely easily
Lowest heat rating, about the range of standard loom
Can pop out of joints easier since it is so flexible

Insulutherm-
Pros:
Extremely High Heat sleeve
Can withstand around 1200 Degrees! yes, over 1000!
100% Wire covering (no see through)
Can expand to twice its size
Flexible even when expanded
Cons:
Thicker material so can add bulk to a wire abundant harness
Tough to slide over a long section of wires
More expensive than regular PET

Raychem DR-25
Pros:
Chemical resistant (have not put to the test)
Scratch resistant
Abrasion resistant
Looks great with the yellow lettering!
450~ degree rating (i think it's higher but thats the spec)
Cons:
Toughest to work with, no expansion
Very time consuming to heat shrink big harnesses
Looks crappy when not heat shrunk properly (i.e. Bubbly)
Most expensive of the 3 (very expensive, like holy crap expensive)

Raychem Dr-25 is the preferred method to go since that it what most, if not all race teams use for their harnesses.

You can purchase Techflex at:

Wire-care.com

(my personal favorite website)

Raychem and Tefzel Wire can be purchased at

Prowireusa.com



Heat Shrink is also something i wanted to cover.

Heat shrink come in two main categories, regular wall and adhesive wall. Yes, there are other types of heat shrink but for harness building these are the two main ones used.

Regular wall heat shrink is commonly used on solder joints. It's main purpose is to prevent the exposed wiring/solder from coming into contact with ground or other wires.

Adhesive walled heat shrink can also be used for solder joints but it is pointless to do so since regular heat shrink is 1/4 the price of regular heat shrink. I personally use Adhesive Shrink to cover joined sections in sleeves such as a 1->3 section. If you look at my harness below you can see what i mean. It can also cover splices of wires which are very common in harnesses i.e. sensor ground, sensor 5v etc.

Adhesive comes at a price, its a sturdy material and the adhesive keeps the joints from slipping out. But if you need to remove it, it has ZERO residue left over. These come in long tubes when ordered so dont be surprised to see a 4inch X 6ft box at your house when you order it.

These can be ordered at Wire-care.com as well
or you can get Raychem SCL which is a 2:1 from
Prowireusa.com

Concentric Twisting

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
(photo of a harness built by RaceSpec)
This is an advanced form of wiring technique. Do not let it fool you, it looks simple but there is a certain procedure and steps that need to be taken while doing this.

What this does is strengthen the wires as a bundle. Also tremendously improves its flexibility and helps keep strain even (i.e. no one wire has more tension on it than another). It's not as simple as just putting the wires in a drill and pressing the trigger. The pro's like to call it Hand Laying or contrawinding. Its all the same thing.

When you're twisting 2 wires or even 4 wires, it's not a big issue on technique. But when doing a full engine harness or chassis harness then this is where experience dominates. But this technique is what is used for Formula 1 cars (though they use 30awg wire) and full out drag teams.

The process is referred to the Rule of 6

Say you have 7 wires, you will use 1 as the core, and take the other 6 wires to wrap around it keeping all wires flat for a perfect lay. This is assuming all wires are the same length and same gauge. If you do it right, the 6 wires wrapped around the first should end at the same location.

Now if you are doing say a full harness, with roughly 50 or so wires, you still start with a core wire, then do the 6 wrapped around as the first layer. The second layer should contain 12 wires wrapping in the opposite direction, 3rd layer with 18 again in the opposite and so on, if you dont have enough wires, then ballast (filler) wire should be added to maintain the perfect lay. It gets tricky when you have different gauges of wire or shielded wire which is where filler wire would be most commonly thrown in.

You maybe wondering what the string and amber tape is for also...

The string is Kevlar lacing string that can be purchased online at multiple sites, its keeps the bundle tight and firm. It is also referred to as binder.

The tape is called Kapton tape. Its use is for raychem adhesive boots. When the super strong adhesive is applied to the boots it grabs everything, the tape prevents it from grabbing on the wires and reduces risks of having to cut the wire during a harness service. It also shields the wires from the heat applied when shrinking down a transition boot because they take a while to heat up


Costs

Some people might think that if they build their own harness that they will be saving a lot of money then purchasing say a Ry-wire harness. The short answer is only in one scenario will you actually save some coin. For most people, it is better to go with Ry-wire or Wire-Worx as technically, they are priced very fairly.

Wiring materials are extremely expensive. Let me say that again.. EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE! especially if you build one from scratch. If you are just doing a cleanup job, techflex on your stock harness, maybe $80 at most to make it look nicer. Now if you're doing a milspec conversion....

Tefzel - .18 - .50 cents per foot, roughly 300ft of wire in an engine harness for sizes of 20, 22
Raychem loom - between $1.50 - 2.50 per foot, roughly 20ft total but you always have to order a little extra
Breakout Boots - between $18-30 per boot, roughly 6 boots (not necessary but more clean and organized)
Kapton Tape - $30 for 36 yards
Milspec Plug - depending on which you go with, cheapest is $40-60 per side but the good stuff is $100 per side and you need 2 sides
adhesive shrink - $10 per size of 4ft shrink, 3 sizes needed typically
Tools - milspec crimpers $300, turret $100 or positioners $50 each and you need about 4 different positioners
Factory pins - not including time to find these bastards but about .20 a pin and roughly 100 each of many sizes
Factory connectors - if yours are damaged, around $5-10 per connector
Labeler - $100 for a basic one
Labels - $30 per cartridge
then another 30 hours of planning, pinning, de-pinning, drawing schematics, measurements, pin-to-pin testing for a standard engine harness
This is not including optional stuff like; deustch connectors, proper splice materials, multiple cannon plugs, shielded wire etc. As with anything car related, initial costs are high and scare a lot of people away but if you truly enjoy it then it it worth the investment. Think about it, tig welders drop $2,000 - $6,000 for a welder alone so it's not all that bad

What Wire Size Should I use?

Now, a lot of people (myself included) go off the notion that the bigger wire the better. Technically speaking, yes. However, when there is no need for it, then you're just adding unneccessary bulk, weight, and cost if you use say 16 awg wire for everything. Typically, there is never more than 5amps drawn from any motor sensor. Most mil spec wiring is going to be 22awg for practically all motors and cars. Ignition would be 20awg for factory smart coils, and 18 gauge (shielded) for CDI ignition (motec, aem, haltech). But everything else does not draw very much current and some guys use 24awg. I use a 20% margin so i use 22awg for any sensor.

Fun Fact: F1 Cars use 30awg wire. They outsource special F1 wiring companies to design and build them, and since weight is a huge factor for F1 cars, the teams demand the actual harness weight measurement by the gram. Not only do the harnesses have to be feather light, it needs to withstand the transmission housing which is one of the most harshest enviroments on earth. Yea... I don't know how they do it

Here's a chart to show the wire awg to current draw. You can find current ratings on whatever you want to wire from manufactures specifications. or if you know the watts you can use the formula

Currents (amps) = Watts / 14.4Volts

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/WireSize_zps7643c716.jpg

Please add to this thread your questions about wiring, or if you have tips then please share because im always willing to learn how to build a better harness. Share some pics as will I

ryaano18
11-25-2013, 12:58 AM
Here is the most recent harness i finished which is the floor harness. Stripped to bare essentials (no srs, or abs etc)

BEFORE
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo1_zps519bb8b3.jpg

AFTER
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo51_zps2dc4836b.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo5_zps102685fd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo41_zps961a852a.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo12_zpsab0d9c37.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo21_zpsec9d821a.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo31_zps2657e941.jpg

monjarassi
11-25-2013, 01:31 AM
Great post homie ill have some pix up shortly of the work you have done for me

boosted_teg
12-18-2013, 09:51 PM
where can you buy tefzel wire? I did my own two piece harness using a newer style accord quick disconnects. The only thing that drives me nuts is solder joints. I want to build one with zero joints in it, using tefzel wire.

ryaano18
12-19-2013, 03:24 PM
where can you buy tefzel wire? I did my own two piece harness using a newer style accord quick disconnects. The only thing that drives me nuts is solder joints. I want to build one with zero joints in it, using tefzel wire.

you can buy tefzel from p-r-s.com or i think motorsportwiringsupply.com carries it as well. If you dont want any solder joints look into deutsch connectors from wire-care.com I will be making a multi-section engine harness as well and will be using those connectors for easy access and it will be easier to trace down problems in the harness

Spaz
12-20-2013, 10:56 PM
No matter how much I tuck my car and redo harnesses I will always hate electrical lol

ryaano18
12-21-2013, 01:52 AM
No matter how much I tuck my car and redo harnesses I will always hate electrical lol

Lol its actually my favorite part. Once you pull out a section of wire you can sit down, get comfortable and go to work

PetefromtheStreets
12-23-2013, 12:34 AM
I'd love to be able to make my own engine harness. I just really don't have all the know how to do it.

Spoolin_VTEC
12-29-2013, 05:03 PM
I can't believe I missed this thread! Great info, repped! There is an electrical section on here, it's called WEST: Wiring, Electrical, & Security Talk http://www.boostedk20.com/forums/forums/38-WEST-Wiring-Electrical-amp-Security-Talk

PM a mod to move this if you'd like. The section is weak, so it can definitely use more topics! Thanks again Ryan. Looking forward to more of your posts

ryaano18
12-30-2013, 04:55 PM
I can't believe I missed this thread! Great info, repped! There is an electrical section on here, it's called WEST: Wiring, Electrical, & Security Talk http://www.boostedk20.com/forums/forums/38-WEST-Wiring-Electrical-amp-Security-Talk

PM a mod to move this if you'd like. The section is weak, so it can definitely use more topics! Thanks again Ryan. Looking forward to more of your posts

Thanks for the heads up, I couldn't find other section anything at first. I'll have one of them move it and post some more pics soon, just waiting on another harness to come my way

ryaano18
12-30-2013, 05:30 PM
Here is the most recent harness I did. It was for a member of the site. He wanted an RSX to S2K cluster conversion harness. Thanks goodness it was a AP2 since it was only two plugs to work with. Much easier than I thought it would be, only thing that sucked was that my soldering iron tip was damn near dead so i had to order a new one.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo_zps4b814f27.jpg

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo13_zpsa04d6983.jpg

Then bagged up, tagged, and shipped off to its new home

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/photo42_zps2d041307.jpg

Enjoy :beersmile:

monjarassi
12-31-2013, 12:06 AM
klean work bud

PetefromtheStreets
12-31-2013, 12:11 AM
I want an engine harness :'(

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monjarassi
12-31-2013, 12:46 AM
I can vouch for ma boi he knows his shit.

PetefromtheStreets
12-31-2013, 01:08 AM
I can vouch for ma boi he knows his shit.

Looks like it. Hook it up. Lol

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monjarassi
12-31-2013, 01:09 AM
Pm me ur number and we can talk business I'm his manager.

ryaano18
01-02-2014, 12:09 PM
Im so lucky to have a manager like monjarassi, he told me he wants no commission or finders fee for any work he brings me :)

monjarassi
01-02-2014, 04:48 PM
Im so lucky to have a manager like monjarassi, he told me he wants no commission or finders fee for any work he brings me :)

Only hire the best!

ryaano18
01-06-2014, 11:06 AM
I felt like I had to post this up. These guys are absolutely insane with their wiring, the company is called RaceSpec. These guys put Ry-wire and Chasebays to shame (No offense to them since they do amazing work themselves). But this is pure wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring1_zpsbf95fbfd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring5_zpsc3a5236d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring4_zpsa3cafbc4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring2_zps8843042e.jpg

And their K20 Lotus Elise Boosted :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring6_zps650d014d.jpg

PetefromtheStreets
01-06-2014, 11:11 AM
I felt like I had to post this up. These guys are absolutely insane with their wiring, the company is called RaceSpec, i think they are based in the UK but im not 100% sure. These guys put Ry-wire and Chasebays to shame (No offense to them since they do amazing work themselves). But this is pure wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring1_zpsbf95fbfd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring5_zpsc3a5236d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring4_zpsa3cafbc4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring2_zps8843042e.jpg

And their K20 Lotus Elise Boosted :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring6_zps650d014d.jpg

Holy Fuck! That's insane.

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ryaano18
01-06-2014, 01:12 PM
Holy Fuck! That's insane.

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Yup! but a rough estimate of what they charge is around the 15-20k range for full race harnesses. Engine, Dash, Management systems etc

PetefromtheStreets
01-06-2014, 01:15 PM
Yup! but a rough estimate of what they charge is around the 15-20k range for full race harnesses. Engine, Dash, Management systems etc

Holy Fuck......THAT!!! LOL

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ryaano18
01-06-2014, 01:21 PM
Holy Fuck......THAT!!! LOL

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Trust me i know, but looking at the parts alone they probably drop around 5-6k in wires, raychem sleeve, breakout boots, milspec connectors and such. The rest is labor which can equate to around 200 hours per car (blueprinting the schematics and laying out the lengths then assembling) and im sure they charge by the hour. Kinda makes me feel so insignificant when i see what some guys drop on their builds, cant keep up lol It may be more hours involved but i remember reading that that's what Ryan from Ry-wire usually sees when building a custom race harness

PetefromtheStreets
01-06-2014, 01:23 PM
Seriously if you've got 20k to drop into a wiring harness you should be putting that into a UGR lambo.

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ryaano18
01-06-2014, 01:29 PM
Seriously if you've got 20k to drop into a wiring harness you should be putting that into a UGR lambo.

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I couldn't agree with you more. Like i said its crazy to imagine some of the teams that are out there that will seriously drop 100k into a Honda. And the UK have some of the best fabricators and wiring specialists in the automotive industry

BoostedK20
01-06-2014, 02:14 PM
I felt like I had to post this up. These guys are absolutely insane with their wiring, the company is called RaceSpec, i think they are based in the UK but im not 100% sure. These guys put Ry-wire and Chasebays to shame (No offense to them since they do amazing work themselves). But this is pure wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring1_zpsbf95fbfd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring5_zpsc3a5236d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring4_zpsa3cafbc4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring2_zps8843042e.jpg

And their K20 Lotus Elise Boosted :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring6_zps650d014d.jpg

That's sick!!!

monjarassi
01-06-2014, 09:29 PM
I felt like I had to post this up. These guys are absolutely insane with their wiring, the company is called RaceSpec, i think they are based in the UK but im not 100% sure. These guys put Ry-wire and Chasebays to shame (No offense to them since they do amazing work themselves). But this is pure wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring1_zpsbf95fbfd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring5_zpsc3a5236d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring4_zpsa3cafbc4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring2_zps8843042e.jpg

And their K20 Lotus Elise Boosted :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring6_zps650d014d.jpg



:jelly::jelly::jelly::jelly:

aLmk
01-06-2014, 11:03 PM
I felt like I had to post this up. These guys are absolutely insane with their wiring, the company is called RaceSpec, i think they are based in the UK but im not 100% sure. These guys put Ry-wire and Chasebays to shame (No offense to them since they do amazing work themselves). But this is pure wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring1_zpsbf95fbfd.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring3_zps72785edb.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring5_zpsc3a5236d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring4_zpsa3cafbc4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring2_zps8843042e.jpg

And their K20 Lotus Elise Boosted :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racespecwiring6_zps650d014d.jpg
That looks confusing lol

monjarassi
01-06-2014, 11:25 PM
hey bro BTW thanks a bunch for that resistor you hooked up on the X, dam that thing till this date has not popped up no more, we fixed the 2yr issue.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/11811509373_d948af7db3_c.jpg

keep in mind ry-worx works on all makes and models not just acuras and hondas!!!

ryaano18
01-06-2014, 11:58 PM
hey bro BTW thanks a bunch for that resistor you hooked up on the X, dam that thing till this date has not popped up no more, we fixed the 2yr issue.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7358/11811509373_d948af7db3_c.jpg

keep in mind ry-worx works on all makes and models not just acuras and hondas!!!

No problem homie you know I got you, glad it worked out!

monjarassi
01-07-2014, 12:00 AM
No problem homie you know I got you, glad it worked out!

yup, know im hunting down a ghost misfire that i may have tracked down!!! i pray

ryaano18
01-17-2014, 12:36 PM
Another noteworthy company to mention on here is Smith Race Wire, though they don't work on Honda's, their wiring skills are impeccable. Here is some more wire porn

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire1_zpsfc576d7a.png
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire5_zps858a33da.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire3_zps18791ee3.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire4_zps91e14aad.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire2_zps8bc3b5fc.jpg

These guys build race trucks, and these trucks are all out race, heres an example

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/racewire6_zps85808415.jpg

PetefromtheStreets
01-17-2014, 12:41 PM
Good god of wiring! that's nuts!

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monjarassi
01-17-2014, 12:44 PM
Good lord

ryaano18
01-17-2014, 12:45 PM
I should also mention that most of their wiring work is Mil-Spec wire. No skipped corners with them

monjarassi
02-06-2014, 10:08 PM
hey bro i have a batt kit i want to buy can u give me the thumbs up if to order or not?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/10292/10002/-1?parentProductId=754692

And if you can when u have free time can u make a thread on batt relocations plz.

Thanks buddy

ryaano18
02-07-2014, 12:45 PM
hey bro i have a batt kit i want to buy can u give me the thumbs up if to order or not?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/10292/10002/-1?parentProductId=754692

And if you can when u have free time can u make a thread on batt relocations plz.

Thanks buddy

Wire looks pretty good, kind of thick rubber around it though (no homo) but should work perfect.

And i would but i need to a donor since i didnt take any pics of when i did mine

PetefromtheStreets
02-07-2014, 06:40 PM
Wire looks pretty good, kind of thick rubber around it though (no homo) but should work perfect.

And i would but i need to a donor since i didnt take any pics of when i did mine

Come use mine :-D

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ryaano18
02-09-2014, 08:51 PM
Come use mine :-D

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Come to TX2k14 and we'll work something out lol

Well, on this sunday got super bored and decided to strip everything from the bay so that's ready to get a shave. While removing the wiring parts it just bugged me that I had not thought about the charge harness and to loom it, and my fogs as well and my eps wire lol

So i took all three and gave them a quick make over

Charge harness before
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/004_zps8079243a.jpg

Made my pinout and cut out some labels

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/006_zps48c9fa11.jpg

And finished charge harness, but waiting on terminals for new 4 gauge wires
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/008_zps5e757591.jpg

Fog wiring before (i had put some sleeve a while back, but i felt like updating it)
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/005_zps119a3f3c.jpg

Fogs after, I didnt want to waste labels on this, plus im running out and its expensive for the catridges
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/009_zpsd883b596.jpg

And the EPS wiring got the same treatment as the Charge Harness. However, after finishing this harness, i came up with a better way than using taps to install it in the RSX. More on that later. For now it will stay like this until the car is done
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/IMG_0101_zps00f13bce.jpg

Now my harness pile grows lol

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/011_zps7b4a6162.jpg

PetefromtheStreets
02-09-2014, 08:55 PM
Lemme get your old one. #crying dearly.

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BoostedK20
02-10-2014, 09:31 AM
I like the IDK label on that charge harness! :thumb:

ryaano18
02-10-2014, 10:56 AM
I like the IDK label on that charge harness! :thumb:

Lol I was waiting for someone to notice that

boosted_teg
02-17-2014, 03:00 AM
joel at race spec does the nicest harnesses ive ever saw.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1551457_519074418207609_1106877103_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1536702_515934215188296_689828576_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1528566_512977378817313_499316944_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1476193_497957576985960_1173552153_n.jpg

ryaano18
02-17-2014, 11:52 AM
joel at race spec does the nicest harnesses ive ever saw.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1551457_519074418207609_1106877103_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1536702_515934215188296_689828576_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1528566_512977378817313_499316944_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1476193_497957576985960_1173552153_n.jpg

Yup! Race Spec is the place I look up to when trying to get better at wiring, their stuff is insane!

monjarassi
02-21-2014, 11:30 AM
more wiring plz!!!

ryaano18
02-21-2014, 12:05 PM
more wiring plz!!!

patience! still grabbing pics

02civic629
04-16-2014, 03:27 AM
I think i just came looking at all this wiring :rotfl:

Completely custom wired car crew :coffee:

monjarassi
04-16-2014, 09:56 AM
I think i just came looking at all this wiring :rotfl:

Completely custom wired car crew :coffee:


x2222

Spaz
04-16-2014, 10:41 AM
wow some incredible wire work... and i HATE wiring lol

02civic629
04-16-2014, 10:55 AM
wow some incredible wire work... and i HATE wiring lol

I LOVE wiring

ryaano18
04-16-2014, 11:17 AM
I think i just came looking at all this wiring :rotfl:

Completely custom wired car crew :coffee:

I really recommend you follow racespec on instagram if you like wiring. That dude is amazing! Plus he won't hesitate at all to help you out if you have any wiring question! and can supply any wiring part you need

ryaano18
04-28-2014, 01:06 PM
Some more wiring pics from the Pro Joel at RaceSpec. Hope he doesn't mind if i post his pics because they are worth sharing

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring3_zps56ab0a58.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring1_zps1f15c5e7.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring4_zps8782741a.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring6_zpsbf1b9b3d.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring2_zps9a9761af.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring5_zps99473d2c.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring8_zps3f08a895.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring9_zps92314990.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring7_zps5fc9ee3c.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/wiring10_zps1ec94b8f.jpg

PetefromtheStreets
04-28-2014, 01:11 PM
#wireporn that's sick man. I need to step up my wiring game.


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ryaano18
04-28-2014, 01:23 PM
#wireporn that's sick man. I need to step up my wiring game.


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If you need advice man let me know and ill help you guide through as best as i can

PetefromtheStreets
04-28-2014, 01:38 PM
If you need advice man let me know and ill help you guide through as best as i can

I appreciate that. But I'll just stop and get you to do my harness. Lol.


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ryaano18
04-28-2014, 01:48 PM
I appreciate that. But I'll just stop and get you to do my harness. Lol.


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lol I dont blame you, shit can be a nightmare sometimes

Spaz
04-29-2014, 09:20 AM
god I wish I had more patience with wiring this makes me want to redo my harness and try it again!

ryaano18
04-29-2014, 10:56 AM
god I wish I had more patience with wiring this makes me want to redo my harness and try it again!

Right?!?!?! Every time i do some wire work, i see someone else do something similar and i see all the little things I left out and it makes me want to start from scratch

Spaz
04-29-2014, 11:46 AM
Yeah definitely how I feel. But I have so much other stuff to do and not as much time as others to do it. So it's done it's close enough hahaha

ryaano18
04-29-2014, 01:29 PM
Yeah definitely how I feel. But I have so much other stuff to do and not as much time as others to do it. So it's done it's close enough hahaha

completely understandable, i really wish i could assemble a shortblock or tear apart a transmission but like you said not enough time as others :(

ryaano18
05-08-2014, 10:53 PM
hmmmmmm not sure what to make of this... maybe just coincidental but feel like i need to share for those who are interested. SO chasebays does wire harnesses as everyone knows, they also sell connectors and pins (generally pretty expensive) but while looking for connectors i was just browsing through the back pages of google and noticed something familiar.

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/chasebays2_zpsce6b143c.png

which is the same exact pic as...

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/chasebays1_zps81475c34.png

like even the hairs on the connector are the same. On the first pic you can see city of origins which is a chinese city i cannot pronounce. and for reassurance

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/chasebays5_zps89dd0ba8.png
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/chasebays4_zps119c8396.png

and for clarification
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/chasebays3_zps9dc151af.png




don't want to make this into another realstreet call out or skunk2 bounty hit, honestly, im hoping that they are factory generic pics or something. Just something that peaked my curiosity

Spaz
05-09-2014, 09:16 AM
hell when I got my chaseharness one of my biggest complains were the connectors. They were all dirty, two of them had paint on them like some ricer just spray bombed his engine bay and didn't cover the plugs and it's obvious chase just uses whatever connectors he has. I'd love to redo most the connectors.

PetefromtheStreets
05-09-2014, 09:28 AM
Damn that's crazy. Thanks for sharing that.

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Spaz
05-09-2014, 09:38 AM
even crazier my MAIN ECU plug clip is broken.. straight from Chasebays... I have to use a small fine flathead screwdriver to take the plug out of the ecu... wtf Chase

with quantity he lost quality

PetefromtheStreets
05-09-2014, 10:17 AM
Smh. Turning into a typical shop owner.

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ryaano18
05-09-2014, 10:20 AM
Damn that's crazy. Thanks for sharing that.

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Again not saying its true, but just something that I came across as odd


even crazier my MAIN ECU plug clip is broken.. straight from Chasebays... I have to use a small fine flathead screwdriver to take the plug out of the ecu... wtf Chase

with quantity he lost quality

Which ecu plug? I have brand new ECU B plugs if you wanted to switch it out. I promise its not from china lol

ryaano18
05-09-2014, 10:27 AM
I guess let me say this, It is extremely difficult to find actual honda plugs from the distributor. Like its damn near impossible. Only one brand of connector is actual somewhat easy to get and those are the ECU plugs. After 3 months of looking im still missing 3 different connectors. The main problem is that the main manufacturer of the connector of honda doesn't sell small quantities. They want people to buy around 20,000 pieces. Ive talked to a few guys who deal with them and they have their ways of getting them through contacts in Japan. But for the rest of us, we have to pay premium prices for the connectors from stateside companies. It wouldn't be surprising if the bigger names used China models as they are extremely cheap and easy to get in big quantities. Again it's all speculation, but after talking to a few people in the industry, it seems more and more possible.

aLmk
05-09-2014, 10:27 AM
Not all things from china are bad, but they did specifically say the stuff isn't from china :giggle: fortunately my factory harness is still in fine shape :D

ryaano18
05-09-2014, 10:29 AM
Not all things from china are bad, but they did specifically say the stuff isn't from china :giggle: fortunately my factory harness is still in fine shape :D

Not to tell tales from school but the word is that they fit horrible and break extremely easy

ryaano18
05-14-2014, 01:30 AM
Finally able to get some wiring practice in :) There are 44 wires in this small little bundle

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/002_zps6bed5a6c.jpg

PetefromtheStreets
05-14-2014, 08:33 AM
I want that. You did a great job man

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monjarassi
05-14-2014, 09:27 AM
O snap

ryaano18
05-20-2014, 12:40 AM
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/003_zps2083a1cf.jpg

Little small something im working on to make a few people lives easier :)

stigrl06
05-20-2014, 06:24 PM
ryan, martin needs a shift light

ryaano18
05-20-2014, 08:12 PM
ryan, martin needs a shift light

Does he have a shift light?

Spaz
05-20-2014, 10:26 PM
is that s2k Pigtails?

ryaano18
05-21-2014, 12:02 AM
is that s2k Pigtails?

Yup they are. Ordered a bunch to do some experimenting with

ryaano18
05-21-2014, 12:06 AM
New addition to the resume :) 02-04 to 05-06 cluster jumper


http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/0022_zps19912154.jpg

ryaano18
07-02-2014, 11:56 AM
Updated first post with lots more info for anyone interested!

monjarassi
07-02-2014, 01:40 PM
Dang too much info to read Ima picture man

Spaz
07-03-2014, 11:58 AM
wish I had more patience for wiring lol

BoostedK20
07-06-2014, 11:24 PM
:yeahthat::cheers: More power to ryaano18 for having the patience to do that!

ryaano18
07-19-2014, 05:46 PM
Tail light harness mid progress :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_111636_zpsnhcyqvfy.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_114954_zpsn3k7tvee.jpg

monjarassi
07-19-2014, 06:54 PM
dang looks like a headache

PetefromtheStreets
07-19-2014, 07:56 PM
Tail light harness mid progress :)

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_111636_zpsnhcyqvfy.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20140719_114954_zpsn3k7tvee.jpg
Looks awesome man. Nice work

ryaano18
08-11-2014, 04:34 PM
So man #MCM goes to Joel at RaceSpec. More pics of his work to share for anyone interested

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10413062_379179578890074_514554817_n_zps38186423.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10354330_763514140367761_465241586_n_zpsad7aa2af.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10268982_1446837865558281_390525674_n_zpsdc8ace29. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10354489_717077025022627_760777089_n_zps04513998.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10349791_788793417820222_2115109051_n_zpsb139ee86. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/927995_665431043538306_440317070_n_zpsddd64d02.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10467716_609690079128557_1789092406_n_zpsbe1700cb. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10448842_293113187537131_1676781875_n_zps2997ddf1. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10508087_805750932769915_1645996930_n_zps7ed9ba56. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10508070_1442362962700517_1922268948_n_zpsce1c6be7 .jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10499118_509172015893426_2105633587_n_zpsb3cf6121. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10513730_763626043659855_1318245466_n_zps4eb4c36d. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10549701_1481720265406814_1708047147_n_zps808eee24 .jpg

monjarassi
08-11-2014, 05:27 PM
Sex

BoostedK20
08-27-2014, 07:54 PM
So man #MCM goes to Joel at RaceSpec. More pics of his work to share for anyone interested

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10413062_379179578890074_514554817_n_zps38186423.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10354330_763514140367761_465241586_n_zpsad7aa2af.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10268982_1446837865558281_390525674_n_zpsdc8ace29. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10354489_717077025022627_760777089_n_zps04513998.j pg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10349791_788793417820222_2115109051_n_zpsb139ee86. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/927995_665431043538306_440317070_n_zpsddd64d02.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10467716_609690079128557_1789092406_n_zpsbe1700cb. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10448842_293113187537131_1676781875_n_zps2997ddf1. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10508087_805750932769915_1645996930_n_zps7ed9ba56. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10508070_1442362962700517_1922268948_n_zpsce1c6be7 .jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10499118_509172015893426_2105633587_n_zpsb3cf6121. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10513730_763626043659855_1318245466_n_zps4eb4c36d. jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/10549701_1481720265406814_1708047147_n_zps808eee24 .jpg

I hope you're taking notes, and hopefully orders as well! ;)

ryaano18
01-08-2015, 01:25 PM
I've been missing from all my forums. Been crazy busy, here's some quick pics from a harness im working on, Ill let the client take the final pics when ready, but here are a few build pics to keep this thread alive :)

Started with these
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141206_175525_zpsf34590f0.jpg

Then added shielded wire
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141207_022506_zps00c71d8a.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/IMG_20141207_120204_zps3ec2884a.jpg

For those that don't know, shielded blocks electrical interference from other circuits such as the spark plug wires. They provide the ECU with a clean signal to properly read a certain calibration from the crank and cam sensors. In a K20 motor, they are not really needed as it is overkill, but i wanted it to be brick solid wiring! Also the knock sensor wire is shielded to help from "mass" noise and reduce miss diagnosed knock.

Then first layer was wrapped
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141207_171415_zps655c5682.jpg

Then the last layer
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141207_184428_zpsec4cd313.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/006_zpsabc4ff05.jpg

That was just the chassis side to the ECU. The engine side starts off similar
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141221_190213_zps3b48e5ec.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/IMG_20141223_194945_zps0711ab09.jpg

A little "T" Breakout
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141224_001455_zps1b3b622e.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141224_144241_zps1db55185.jpg

Notice how the wires are hand twisted throughout the entire harness. This is for reliability, sturdiness, size reduction, and above all.. flexibility, 50+ wires feel like one single cable when done like this

Beginning of Raychem
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141224_183638_zps99d08c39.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141228_000033_zpsf8289b26.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141228_000905_zpse6a8bbee.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141228_134016_zpsa26bb239.jpg

These end boots are pricier than you think..
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/20141230_221525_zpsff11c3e8.jpg

and the final pic before pin to pin testing begins

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/beforetest_zps8eb4d088.jpg

monjarassi
01-08-2015, 02:07 PM
yeah thats a sick ass harness great work new pics of the finished product to come soon

ryaano18
01-11-2015, 11:59 PM
Final pics of the harness. Just waiting for the owner to come pick her up!

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/0022_zps8291e4ec.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/0012_zps7cce77a4.jpg
http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/004_zps87dabd3b.jpg

Keep in mind, Im not photographer

http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/ryaano18/ead9ac65-c075-4e50-8cdc-8cd53a56834b_zps66c4eed3.jpg

monjarassi
01-12-2015, 12:08 AM
damn i bet pics dont dew justice

Xander
01-18-2015, 11:49 PM
So for the 24-61 connector, what manufacturer do you go with? I picked up an Amphenol Aerospace one for my build

ryaano18
01-18-2015, 11:56 PM
So for the 24-61 connector, what manufacturer do you go with? I picked up an Amphenol Aerospace one for my build

I go with more "off-brands" versions. When it comes to mil-dtl parts, they are made to certain specifications that make them all very similar if not equal (i say this loosely). Amphenol and deutsch are the more brand name, which are great especially when using autosports AS connectors, but for plain jane ms347X I personally use IC connectors due to low price. Prowire also sells off brand due to the same reasoning of "same shit, lower price"

Xander
01-19-2015, 12:10 AM
I go with more "off-brands" versions. When it comes to mil-dtl parts, they are made to certain specifications that make them all very similar if not equal (i say this loosely). Amphenol and deutsch are the more brand name, which are great especially when using autosports AS connectors, but for plain jane ms347X I personally use IC connectors due to low price. Prowire also sells off brand due to the same reasoning of "same shit, lower price"

I got mine for $75 shipped, plug and housing so I won't complain

Spaz
01-23-2015, 10:47 AM
I really wanna redo mine so bad looking at these

Xander
01-23-2015, 12:12 PM
Mine is progressing so slowly haha

ryaano18
01-23-2015, 01:03 PM
I really wanna redo mine so bad looking at these

Let me know if you need parts or advice :)


Mine is progressing so slowly haha

You got this! It will be so worth it when the car cranks over with your harness

Xander
01-23-2015, 01:13 PM
Let me know if you need parts or advice :)



You got this! It will be so worth it when the car cranks over with your harness
Until my dash lights up like a christmas tree

ryaano18
01-23-2015, 01:40 PM
Until my dash lights up like a christmas tree

haha trust me, I know the paranoia