new kseries manifold

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

I would like to share a different manifold that no one has made yet for kseries yet. Jesse owner of JDL auto design designed and built this manifold. the manifold was made on eg chassis. the wastegate has priority as you can see in the pic below the collector is perfectly centered on the wastegate. Plenty of clearance for downpipe or uppipe.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/50206758.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/030ae703.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/39752bfd.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/03342067.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/2a6e75aa.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/43dfea8b.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/053880fe.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/2b116387.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/a9d356f9.jpg

[Rbsjnh]

absolutely amazing design, no room for boost creep. I see bigger turbo's becoming of value very soon.

The AFH crew definitely needs to get their hands on one.

I love the fact the manifold was designed around the wastegate rather than being an after thought as seen by so many manifold fabricators.

[Rbsjnh]

are the runners equal length?

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

i would have to ask about that question rich lol

[Si Speed 317]

That's a ridiculously smart idea and I'm very surprised no one has yet to think of that. Talk about industry leader!

[Rbsjnh]

not trashing Kooch, this design is actually very similar to what was used in 80's f1 cars, this is the way manifolds should be designed. unfortunately, there are too many companies who think because they can weld, they are manifold designers, which simply is not the case.

I also like the way it angles the turbo, you can feed the cold side from behind the fender, and the turbo outlet would require no extreme bends for feeding a w2a ic

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

not trashing Kooch, this design is actually very similar to what was used in 80's f1 cars, this is the way manifolds should be designed. unfortunately, there are too many companies who think because they can weld, they are manifold designers, which simply is not the case.

I also like the way it angles the turbo, you can feed the cold side from behind the fender, and the turbo outlet would require no extreme bends for feeding a w2a ic

yes rich you are correct and thats actually what jesse told me about where he got the idea from. plus he wanted something different when we told him to make a new turbo kit for the 4 door we rebuilding

[Rbsjnh]

The beauty of it is you can truly control boost without an oversized wastegate. These new bohemeth Wg's on the market may reduce creep, but by nature the larger the valve the less sensitive in nature. You should be able to hold any psi you want with no fear of creep.

It should also make insane top end.

Is there a ball part price.

Ryan needs this.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

The beauty of it is you can truly control boost without an oversized wastegate. These new bohemeth Wg's on the market may reduce creep, but by nature the larger the valve the less sensitive in nature. You should be able to hold any psi you want with no fear of creep.

It should also make insane top end.

Is there a ball part price.

Ryan needs this.

boost king rich :worship: lol no set price yet

ryan needs some teaching from u rich <3

[Rbsjnh]

I saw this on another forum, posting here for the people who dont post there.

if anyone wants it removed just ask

imho very good info.




Funny story. Ken Peak of Peakboost (the now defunct company that still owes tens of thousands of dollars in products to countless customers) held a "free tuning day" at a shop a couple years back to prove me wrong, and "fix" a bunch of cars with his junk manifolds.

The outcome? Nothing changed. The cars that came in with creep, left with creep, and nothing was resolved.

Moral of the story? Buy a manifold with a proper wastegate entry, and never have to come up with creative ways to control boost pressure.


It has everything to do with entry angle from the collector and laminar flow of exhaust gas against the outside of the tubing. The wastegate entry on that manifold is EXACTLY the same as the old Peakboost junk; backwards to flow. Combine that with a decent sized turbo, and you've got a recipe for creep (unless you plan on running real high pressure all the time).

Exhaust gases take the path of least resistance, even when exhaust pressure exists pre-turbine. In the case of today's super-efficient exhaust wheel technology, combined with a high-flow cylinder head that's moving a lot of air, proper FLOW to the gate is what's going to help the most in terms of boost control.

Here's a crude paint drawing of exhaust flow inside two different manifolds. One having an against-flow entry, and "one going with the grain."

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/soundinnovations/Manifolds_FRvsPB.jpg

I know it isn't the most technical drawing, but you get the idea.

I have tuned countless amount of turbocharged K-Series, and have a pretty good idea of what manifolds work, and which ones falter.


that's not true at all. from everything that I have been taught about wastegate placement this is the correct way it should be.
http://www.homemadeturbo.com/tech_projects/B_manifold/B_hytech_P.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/4/web/280000-280999/280589_293_full.jpg

would never happen on k swapped due to the space problem I suppose so the better alternative would be something like this

http://ecsmotorsports.com/images/atp/atp-sub-006.jpg

[Rbsjnh]

I think because of how tight it is to the engine in should fit in most chassis, downpipe should be easy, similar to a factory

Good Job Jesse.

What will the haters say tomorrow?:fight:

[Rbsjnh]

Kooch Im just trying to keep up with you, Im a peasant in your world bud.

Hook Ryan up:iptf::pimp:

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

hahahah i have a feeling people wont like it cuzz they cant see the front of the compressor housing. im learning alot from jesse and makes sense what he talks about .

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

theres a rsx at his shop maybe the manifold fits on that will test tomorrow:)

[Rbsjnh]

Soon there will be an obx version.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

damn i hope not lol

[boosted_teg]

That looks mint! whats the cost on one of these anyways? id almost be interested in ditching my manifold over the summer in favor of this!

Love it!

[Spaz]

I definitely agree about loving the placement of the turbo!

The manifold is beautiful put together with lots of thought behind it. I would love to rock one of these!

[PetefromtheStreets]

I know this is a turbo manifold but would you guys be interested in making me a header for my rotrex car? I'm looking for something wild like this.

[Rbsjnh]

I know this is a turbo manifold but would you guys be interested in making me a header for my rotrex car? I'm looking for something wild like this.

It wouldnt be hard to make this a non turbo header

[PetefromtheStreets]

Hook me up with something crazy. I'll start making payments on it. Serious inquiry.

[PetefromtheStreets]

Bump for making me a sick ass header!!!!

[boosted_teg]

Bump for making me a sick ass header!!!!

very nice! :)


when will the turbo manifold make its way to the dyno?

[PetefromtheStreets]

very nice! :)


when will the turbo manifold make its way to the dyno?

It's not mine. I'm trying to get them to make me a header just kinda similar to this.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Sorry , no header :(

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Dyno will be maybe end of month or early June

[PetefromtheStreets]

Sorry , no header :(

See that sucks. Cuz all the crazy headers are for swap cars. No one makes em for the Rsx. Oh well I tried.

[Rbsjnh]

I don't think besides looks it would benefit. The benefit of most crazy headers na are on b series where they are extending the primary length in order to not have the 4-1 collector underneath the oil pan or under the subframe. Its truly for clearance.

[PetefromtheStreets]

I don't think besides looks it would benefit. The benefit of most crazy headers na are on b series where they are extending the primary length in order to not have the 4-1 collector underneath the oil pan or under the subframe. Its truly for clearance.

For me it's about the looks and availability of the part. I just want something crazy looking to be an aww factor.
I don't care if I lost 10-15 whp. I want it because it would be a one off piece to add to the collection and car and 2, I could rev another 600rpm and get the 10-15 whp back. Lol

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

The down pipe was made today and looks so sick!

[Spaz]

I don't think besides looks it would benefit. The benefit of most crazy headers na are on b series where they are extending the primary length in order to not have the 4-1 collector underneath the oil pan or under the subframe. Its truly for clearance.


not true... If your builder knows what he is doing and makes a one off custom tubular long running manifold it not only looks bad ass but it's going to gain you in low to mid rain HP and torque and obviously high RPM power.

I'll try to find my photo of my custom header we are making for n/a verse my DCRH and you know it's going to make some serious gains..

[Rbsjnh]

I agree with that spaz, on k-series they are able to run the 4 pipes through the tunnel, with be series the 4 tubes had to run under the oil pan

[Si Speed 317]

Let's get some videos of this in action!

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/24b302c5.jpg

[boosted_teg]

Nice!

[Si Speed 317]

Sick! That wouldnt fit an intake on it in an Si though

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

It's was built off a eg, will test fit on ek and Crx if I can get mounts lol

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/b38c8df5.jpg

[boosted_teg]

oh wow thats sexy!!!

im in for some dyno results :) it would be awesome if it would make good numbers and lliminate boost creep

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Me too but as u can see the harness lol that's the mess we're working with

[Si Speed 317]

Me too but as u can see the harness lol that's the mess we're working with

That's one thing I can't deal with - wires. A harness problem would drive me insane. Good luck with it koochy

[boosted_teg]

ouh wiring.. i love wiring :)

[aLmk]

This is really cool. Has a similar design to Vit's Go-Power manifold in respect to wastegate vs. turbo placement.

[boosted_teg]

i saw some pictures on facebook with this manifold on a civic at a car show. any new updated pictures?

[k20fg]

Truly a great idea on wastegate placement! And I completely concur with what was quoted from D-Rob ... really interested to see some boost graphs on this. Too bad I have an 8th gen.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

i saw some pictures on facebook with this manifold on a civic at a car show. any new updated pictures?

U mind posting pics Of the car ? We took the car to Wekfest long beach .. Also we are tryin to figure out when we should dyno it's so damn hot here in az the manifold won't be at its full potential but we will problaly just dyno for the boost graph

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Also the car is up and running just fine

[boosted_teg]

i tried looking back through my facebook and couldnt find the picture of the engine bay :(

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Dang lol so far I seen one pic and wasn't a bay shot and a roll in clip of me driving it in lol

[boosted_teg]

haha well this picture was from the front with 2 plaques on the windshield. It had a lot of polished pieces on it :)

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Oh ok lol I took that pic on our way home lol

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/91573a7d.jpg

[vdubkilla]

very nice kooch

[boosted_teg]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601084_417096314977652_106937695993517_1347737_346 418071_n.jpg

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Yep I took that pic

[boosted_teg]

did you get to drive the car? how was it with the brake booster delete?

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Yes , I personally hate bb deletes lol but u just need to get use to it

[boosted_teg]

theres more room to work with a downpipe and wastegate .

heres another

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/473372_479942255355876_118420597_o.jpg

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Lol I got tagged in these pics
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/f71741a0.jpg

[Rbsjnh]

I think you should do a manifold like this

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/racerx1715/IMG_2638.jpg

http://www.k20a.org/forum/showthread.php?t=90664

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=403005&page=1&pp=20

http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=420032&page=7&pp=20

http://mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=435573&page=1&pp=20

[Rbsjnh]

and a water to air ic like this

http://i38.tinypic.com/2sanfqo.jpg

seriously fapable.

edit: notice the dual injectors. :drooling2::turbosmiley:

[Rbsjnh]

btw kooch, that car is absolutely nasty.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

:wow: that's a small ass gate lol ... Rich u should of seen the wtf faces I got when I drove it in lol

[Rbsjnh]

looks twin gated to me. looks like a pos compared to jesse's

Kooch Id expect nothing less than gocks and stares.

like having a topless girl in your front seat.

you guys deserve all the attention it will get.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Oh Chet didn't see the gate on the bottom of the mani lol..:) thanks rich

[b20eg6]

Any new dyno updates on this mani? Think they could do another variation that would fit an 8th gen?

[Spaz]

holy shit I missed that photo!

[Si Speed 317]

Somehow missed the updated pics in this thread. That civic is amazing Kooch! Must have gotten INSANE amounts of attention

[VTECFRED]

Still no dyno numbers?

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[Spoolin_VTEC]

^ Or anything?

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Nothing yet car runs on base map and current owner of the car has no money to dyno it going thru divorce Im willing to get the manifold dp and dt at my price if anyone wants to test it .. I know a lot of people are waiting on numbers just like me

[Si Speed 317]

Nothing yet car runs on base map and current owner of the car has no money to dyno it going thru divorce Im willing to get the manifold dp and dt at my price if anyone wants to test it .. I know a lot of people are waiting on numbers just like me

If only it fit my car... I would love to. A sidewinder on an Si is always nuts! Especially this manifold :drool:

[Rbsjnh]

I know someone who will be testing this manifold within the next 4-6 weeks.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

:pray:
I know someone who will be testing this manifold within the next 4-6 weeks.

[Si Speed 317]

Definitely keep us updated. I'm extremely interested in how this will pan out

[fre$h si]

Omg this mani is so bad ass I could sure use one on the fg

[VTECFRED]

I could have tested it now dang it :)

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[Spaz]

I wish I would have went with this... its beautiful and definitely a strong setup and design

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[Rbsjnh]

spaz please forgive me, if anyone wants to try these, pm koochy on k20a.org, they are still looking for a few people to try them out.

they are offering crackhead pricing right now, just to get dyno's

[Spaz]

Hmmmm interesting

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[Si Speed 317]

If it would fit on my car I would, as long as I got it done before Honda Day.

[PetefromtheStreets]

Get them to update the thread here....keep this forum going.

[Rbsjnh]

the owner of that car, is have personal issues and will not be able to tune it for months. one is being made for an rsx chassis right now, so if your serious spaz or anyone else please say so.

Bodyman purchased a manifold, downpipe and dump tube for his em2, he sold his full race. he should have the mani in a few weeks. The only this his car is missing besides the manifold is ems, he wants to get flash pro, Im trying to convince him to get aem

[VTECFRED]

I have an FG2 and would be willing to test and tune this manifold. :) if I get to keep it

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[Rbsjnh]

you have to buy it, but they will sell it to ya for close to half of what anyone else would charge

[VTECFRED]

I would still be interested at half price but I broke my 4th gear yesterday LOL

[fre$h si]

It would be so nice having one of these for the 8th gen. I'm so sick of going under my car and ripping off the subframe everytime I need to do anything

[Rbsjnh]

lmk, if someone is serious I can make it happen.

8th civic application is only a paypal transaction away

[BoostedK20]

See something similar in here? http://www.boostedk20.com/forums/showthread.php/435-ROTM-July-2012-Winner-Ben-K-Tuned.com

[fre$h si]

Lol I got tagged in these pics
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/f71741a0.jpg

Where are you located at? I seen this car at eibach but I don't think it had that Manu at the time or am I mistaken?

[Si Speed 317]

See something similar in here? http://www.boostedk20.com/forums/showthread.php/435-ROTM-July-2012-Winner-Ben-K-Tuned.com

:yeahthat: :hail:

[fre$h si]

what i dont get is why other big name companys dont make wg's that run like this

[Si Speed 317]

^ I don't know why either. Great point, anyone care to chime in?

[PetefromtheStreets]

I believe full races idea was to have a forward facing turbo, Allow for the use of a bigger turbo then what could fit between the firewall and head. So far I haven't heard of many issues with FR sidewinders creeping. It's all been in the peakboost manifolds even after doing a 60mm gate someone had creep issues. I like this manifold but not sure how the air flow to the turbo is with the gate hitting and reflecting it back into the stream.

[fre$h si]

the FR manifold for the 8th gen actually doesnt face forward like for the rsx, its trapped between the hot ass engine and fire wall. i have to remove my cowling to prevent my engine bay from completly boiling. who knows how sitting back there effects the IAT's. Its super rediculous of a place to be set at. Its a PITA to do any turbo work. Ud have to remove the subframe for just about anything. god forbid u have a hose leak or something cuz then your fckd. i wish i could do it all over again and get a sidewinder or something and customize it to fit because im super unhappy with the way my turbo has to sit back there. FR could have easily made a sidewinder to go back there for the 8thgen.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

the only problem with the 8th gen civics and that there is no one willing to lend their car to use it for mock up in phoenix. bodyman will get a manifold shortly to dyno it with his water to air setup. i was told yesterday that locash racing will MAYBE dyno the four door this week, thats a maybe. once i get any boost graph i will post asap :thumb:

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

the car is from phoenix. this manifold setup was on the car for wekfest and eibach and we took it the nisei this pass weekend

[Si Speed 317]

the only problem with the 8th gen civics and that there is no one willing to lend their car to use it for mock up in phoenix. bodyman will get a manifold shortly to dyno it with his water to air setup. i was told yesterday that locash racing will MAYBE dyno the four door this week, thats a maybe. once i get any boost graph i will post asap :thumb:

I'm in NY, AZ is a hell of a trip for me :shrug: And I'd need a custom downpipe to set everything off, tempting though. Very tempting.

[PetefromtheStreets]

I'm in NY, AZ is a hell of a trip for me :shrug: And I'd need a custom downpipe to set everything off, tempting though. Very tempting.

Do it speed! Do it.
Get a shop in jersey to do it. Import DPS or something like that. Wayne4130 on instagram.

[fre$h si]

following :D

daum man if i didnt have my FR kit installed and tuned n all that id deffinatly do it. im in love with this manifold

[Si Speed 317]

Do it speed! Do it.
Get a shop in jersey to do it. Import DPS or something like that. Wayne4130 on instagram.
I'll have to see how everything goes throughout the winter, if I can have the downtime I definitely will!

following :D

daum man if i didnt have my FR kit installed and tuned n all that id deffinatly do it. im in love with this manifold

Couldn't have said it better, but SRT for me. lol.

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Bodyman will be getting this manifold sometime this week

[BoostedK20]

^ Sounds like it'll be a good week! Make sure to keep us updated Dr. Koochy

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Dyno time
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/9DCE2A5F-6DC1-4923-9342-8C6997EADEC0-1150-000000E98AA26738.jpg

[Si Speed 317]

:upsidedownparty:

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

370hp 300 trq 12 pounds on spring ... As soon as I get the graphs from my buddy I'll post up

[VTECFRED]

370hp 300 trq 12 pounds on spring ... As soon as I get the graphs from my buddy I'll post up

Sorry if I missed it but what turbo is being used ?

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[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e318/jstadc5/C977B46A-A636-4343-A2CB-DAE0AD6059FF-1881-00000121798A702F.jpg

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Sorry if I missed it but what turbo is being used ?

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It's a precision 6266

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vihWrR1SMcs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Si Speed 317]

I expected more at 12psi from that turbo. Is this a built motor? Im really contemplating going to AZ to get this done, it would have to be a hell of a price though.

[VTECFRED]

Sorry if I missed it but what turbo is being used ?

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It's a precision 6266


Looks like it needs more tuning if possible ?

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[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

I expected more at 12psi from that turbo. Is this a built motor? Im really contemplating going to AZ to get this done, it would have to be a hell of a price though.

Stock 06 tsx short block .. Stock K20a2 head with 06 tsx cams.. Id1000..70mm hybrid tb..precision 6266.. Tial 44mm gate... Remember it's only on the gates spring next is with boost solenoid

[VTECFRED]

12lbs on that turbo should have been over 400Hp in my opinion. Who is the tuner

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[aLmk]

Yeah that is a large turbo.... I made that much power with a much smaller turbo, on a log manifold, and at 15 psi....

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

It's definitely NOT DONE TUNING ..

[aLmk]

Ok well then that's the reason! You should be making north of 400whp probably even 450 with that turbo!

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

12lbs on that turbo should have been over 400Hp in my opinion. Who is the tuner

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Yeah that is a large turbo.... I made that much power with a much smaller turbo, on a log manifold, and at 15 psi....

Was it tuned on gate only ? Cuz that's why the car was tuned on only .. Our friend that did the wiring didn't hook up the boost solenoid

[aLmk]

It doesn't matter if its gate only or not, its still 12 psi..... And yes of course it was tuned on gate only then boost was increased.

[Si Speed 317]

:yeahthat: But it's still not done so let's stay in for reviews. There are other factors as well, such as charge pipe size, intercooler, fuel (I assume this is pump 93), so let's see what happens. So far it sounds great!

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

It's 91 fuel and 110+ temps .. 2 1/2 hot side ..3 cold side

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Joe at locash racing is tuning it but like I said its not done

[VTECFRED]

How much timing is being used? What were the AFR's looking like?

Can we see a log file of when it was on the dyno?

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[aLmk]

Yeah I'm not trying to bash it at all. Just saying I hope more tuning gets you more power, because that turbo is very capable of it!

[Si Speed 317]

:yeahthat:

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

It's for sure getting more tuning.

[fre$h si]

You 93 folk are forgetting how bad 91 sucks balls haha.

[Si Speed 317]

Yea I've never used 91

[aLmk]

Even with 91 he should make 400+whp

[Si Speed 317]

I've heard the quality of 91 vs 93 is more than just marginal, so I guess we'll find out!

[aLmk]

Still, fathon18 on 8th made 400+ with arazona 91 in their heat with a smaller turbo.

[PetefromtheStreets]

I think we're forgetting why were talking about this manifold.

The way it's setup. Not just for power but to prevent boost creep.

Did their manifold hold its gate pressure all the way through the pull or did it have substantial creep like most other manifolds?

But I agree with power being low. My friends k24 (stock) made 424 on 9lbs. Stock k20a2 cams. On 93 pump.

[PetefromtheStreets]

I'm willing to bet there's more to come of this mani

[aLmk]

Me too! I just hope the tuner is game. If not e-tunez is just an email away!

[Si Speed 317]

^ Yes they are :thumb:

[KOOCHYOLOGIST]

Trust me locash knows his shit

[Spoolin_VTEC]

One way to find out! I've never heard about locash before (which doesn't mean a thing, I just never heard it lol).

[2006ninjasi]

sick manifold. i have an 8th civic and just bought a srt turbo kit zz go figure and the manifold creeps slightly on the 9 psi. hoping the creep will be reduced when the boost goes up.